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  • 1.  Core Policies on Dealing with Irresponsible Users

    Posted 10 days ago

    Hi All,
    We may have to deal with a difficult user who has not been responsive to friendly conversation. Has anyone here had to deal with a similar issue and how did you handle it? Do you have written policies or guidelines that you can share with me?
    Thanks,
    Shekhar



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    Shekhar Patil
    Senior Administrative Director, CoREs and Shared Resources
    Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
    New York NY
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  • 2.  RE: Core Policies on Dealing with Irresponsible Users

    Posted 9 days ago
    That is one of the topics that will be covered in our leadership-development-focused Friday morning session "Tools of Effective Conversations" at MAD SSCi (August 26-28) this year.  If you would like professional training on those types of conversations, please consider coming to our meeting.  The goals for the 3.5 hour session are:
    • Understand what conversations are 'Business Critical'
    • Learn a conversational framework (The PeacemakerTM) for leading Business Critical Conversations
    • Leverage 5 Tools to enhance The PeacemakerTM Conversation
      • Effective Conversations and the Impact of Emotions
      • The Conflict Pyramid – name the conflict
      • Conflict Resolution approaches – Thomas Kilmann framework
      • Listening & Curious Questions
      • Repairing Breakdowns in Trust
    • Transfer what you have learned today, back to your 'home' organization through practicing business critical conversations using scenarios provided by the planning team

    Our instructor is Carol Norbeck of Leader Know How.  "Carol Norbeck is a Talent Development Executive at Leader Know How. She is recognized for her ability to help organizations develop exceptional talent.  As a facilitator, she is adept at building know-how.  Her coaching skills foster an environment of trust as she provides the opportunity for new awareness and ownership for action to occur.  Known for strategic visioning, she creates the future through actionable plans."

    I hope you can join us!

    Roxann





  • 3.  RE: Core Policies on Dealing with Irresponsible Users

    Posted 4 days ago

    Anthony, Janette, and Michael,
    Thanks for your insightful responses and the policy agreement that the users have to sign off via email before they can access the services. These would be very helpful as I design policies for the ISMMS core use. 

    Roxann,
    Unfortunately, I cannot attend MAD SSCi meeting. Hopefully, I will get a chance to attend a similar session in one of the upcoming ABRF/chapter meetings.
    Thanks,

    Shekhar



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    Shekhar Patil
    Senior Administrative Director, CoREs and Shared Resources
    Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
    New York NY
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  • 4.  RE: Core Policies on Dealing with Irresponsible Users

    Posted 9 days ago

    The MAD SSCi session sounds great and those conversations are essential tools.

    We do not have a central guideline or policy due to the variety of core operations.  However, for persistently difficult users where a conversation has not yielded results I have suggested that cores require the user to be retrained and the booking calendar blocked for them until training is completed.

    Fee-for-service does not have this option and there it is important to rebuild trust between the core and client and to get to a consensus of what is really at issue through face-to-face conversations. PIs get feedback from students or staff that may miss important caveats, while we in the cores may not see barriers that are frustrating our users. An open discussion with the whole group that starts with questions to understand perceptions can clear up misunderstandings between the research and core groups and get to agreement about expectations when working with the core facility.



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    Janette Lamb
    Institutional Research Cores Program Director
    Medical College of Wisconsin
    Wisconsin WI
    jlamb@mcw.edu
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  • 5.  RE: Core Policies on Dealing with Irresponsible Users

    Posted 9 days ago
    Hi Shekhar,

    I understand the difficulty and frustration from situations like what you are describing.  I had to deal with these sorts of situations on multiple occasions, and to some extent it depends on who the user is and what kind of user are they (is is a PI, postdoc, student?  Is is a daily/weekly/infrequent user of the facility? do they work in the lab during my on-hours or off-hours? Is it someone trying to wrap up a project? is it a new/experienced user?)

    It also sounds as if direct communication has not been working.  In that case, I would recommend a conversation with the supervisor, explaining that you are trying to communicate with said user.  In some cases at least, the supervisor will understand or be in a better situation to address the behavior.  Also, you don't want to retrain/ban someone from the lab without including the supervisor in the conversation.

    But you also want to be careful about setting precedents.  Would it be wise to establish new core policies?  That depends on what the user is doing.  Do you already have policies in place (like a "three strikes and you're out of the lab" policy?)?  In that case, you should tell the user and supervisor that they have one or two strikes against them, and a further violation will result in removal from the lab until retraining/etc occurs.  I would say you should give at least one warning of a total ban/retraining before locking them out.

    I think they key is: you need to communicate that the situation has not been resolved, so you need to escalate.  But you can't do it in such as way that comes across as retaliatory or as "singling-out".  And it should be done in cooperation/understanding of the supervisor.

    However, if the supervisor is part of the problem, then you may need to consult someone even higher up than the supervisor, such as a chair/head of research/dean/etc. for guidance.

    Good luck. This is one of those difficulties we all have to face, and you want to handle it in a way that's good for both the immediate and the long term.

    Anthony Stender
    A former Core Manager





  • 6.  RE: Core Policies on Dealing with Irresponsible Users

    Posted 9 days ago
    Edited by Michael Cammer 9 days ago

    Anyone who doesn't follow the scheduling policies (for instance, stays later than scheduled) or has behavior that may damage the instruments or make us lose BSL2 or other regulatory approvals loses their privilege to use the services.  There are no exceptions.  We may start with a two week suspension if they are agreeable to listening and making change.  

    These policies are clearly posted on our web pages, calendar sign up pages, and/or in the microscope rooms.  As a precondition for being allowed to use any service, prospective clients must agree to follow these policies by sending an email from their work email address stating so.  See bottom of  https://microscopynotes.com/ilabnyu/index.html 

    We have a lot of users who don't following instructions about how to get high quality data.  We try very hard to intercede to make their data better, but if they don't listen to us or insist they know better, we let them be.

    This is a very general answer because you didn't give specifics, and I understand why you may not want to publicly.  If you would like to discuss the details privately for a more directed answer, happy to talk about this.  

    As for someone claiming retaliation, about 20 years ago a user kept violating the sign-up rules by running over into other appointments.  I complained to his boss, but his boss was chairman and very unresponsive to the core's needs.  One day the offending postdoc sent me a long rant by email in which he complained about my being unavailable, a slave to my little black book (my calendar), and preventing him from working.  I forwarded the email to the chairman and said it would be a HR issue if I had to work with the postdoc again.  He was banned from the core.  That was not retaliation; that was correct application of policy.

    Regards-



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    Michael Cammer  
    Sr. Research Scientist
    NYU School of Medicine Langone Medical Center
    New York NY

    914-309-3270  646-501-0567

    michael.cammer@nyulangone.org
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  • 7.  RE: Core Policies on Dealing with Irresponsible Users

    Posted 9 days ago
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